Comments on: Open Warning / The Open Source project that made me angry http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/ random words.. Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:59:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Maxo http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/comment-page-1/#comment-254 Maxo Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:59:55 +0000 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/?p=175#comment-254 I think many here are not getting it. You didn't do anything wrong. You asked the author how he felt about putting the code in a public repository. He said it sounded great. When you followed up on the idea he became aggressive. If he likes doing things in private and then releasing the final results as GPL then that is surely his right, but when asked about going public with the development he should be clear about his preferences. He shouldn't tell you he wants to do one thing and get you all excited and then do the other things and threaten you. If I where you I'd either drop it or fork it. Even if you aren't a programmer you could set up an SVN, give it a different name and then simply let the community take care of the rest. I think many here are not getting it. You didn’t do anything wrong. You asked the author how he felt about putting the code in a public repository. He said it sounded great. When you followed up on the idea he became aggressive.
If he likes doing things in private and then releasing the final results as GPL then that is surely his right, but when asked about going public with the development he should be clear about his preferences. He shouldn’t tell you he wants to do one thing and get you all excited and then do the other things and threaten you.
If I where you I’d either drop it or fork it. Even if you aren’t a programmer you could set up an SVN, give it a different name and then simply let the community take care of the rest.

]]> By: Jeff http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/comment-page-1/#comment-239 Jeff Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:37:05 +0000 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/?p=175#comment-239 You were butting into his business and trying to take control over his project. He Politely told you how you could help. You ignored what he said because you wanted what you wanted. He got pissed and said leave him alone. DO THAT. If you want to be part of his code, fork it and do the WORK YOURSELF. You were just being very rude to somebody you dont know, because you want what you want. Its not that he dosent understand some FOSS philosophy that is binding on people arbitrarily, He can do what the fuck he wants to do with HIS project, even if that means fighting off all the jackels who want a piece of the fun without doing any of the work. Yes, that is not going to create a large community of people working on HIS project, but that is up to him. Dont bother getting mad at people for not doing what you want with their projects. MAKE YOUR OWN You were butting into his business and trying to take control over his
project. He Politely told you how you could help. You ignored what he said
because you wanted what you wanted. He got pissed and said leave him alone. DO THAT. If you want to be part of his code, fork it and do the WORK YOURSELF. You were just being very rude to somebody you dont know, because you want what you want. Its not that he dosent understand some FOSS philosophy that is binding on people arbitrarily, He can do what the fuck he wants to do with HIS project, even if that means fighting off all the jackels who want a piece of the fun without doing any of the work. Yes, that is not going to create a large community of people working on HIS project, but that is up to him. Dont bother getting mad at people for not doing what you want with their projects. MAKE YOUR OWN

]]> By: Risto H. Kurppa http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/comment-page-1/#comment-238 Risto H. Kurppa Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:51:48 +0000 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/?p=175#comment-238 Some more comments: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/7ceqr/open_warning_the_open_source_project_that_made_me/ Some more comments: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/7ceqr/open_warning_the_open_source_project_that_made_me/

]]> By: Peter G. http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/comment-page-1/#comment-228 Peter G. Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:21:20 +0000 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/?p=175#comment-228 Tangogps looks interesting! I don't know if that is what Kurppa here writes about, I can think of at least two other projects of which this description could be written of. I don't think it's good for those projects to get bad karma this way but I sent this link to them. Tangogps looks interesting! I don’t know if that is what Kurppa here writes about, I can think of at least two other projects of which this description could be written of. I don’t think it’s good for those projects to get bad karma this way but I sent this link to them.

]]> By: Timothy http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/comment-page-1/#comment-227 Timothy Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:44:20 +0000 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/?p=175#comment-227 And the winner is... TangoGPS (http://www.tangogps.org). And the winner is… TangoGPS (http://www.tangogps.org).

]]> By: Janus Cook http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/comment-page-1/#comment-221 Janus Cook Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:28:06 +0000 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/?p=175#comment-221 There's a difference between suggesting, which is perfectly fine, and being a total ass about it, hence this blog. There’s a difference between suggesting, which is perfectly fine, and being a total ass about it, hence this blog.

]]> By: Paul Eggleton http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/comment-page-1/#comment-219 Paul Eggleton Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:12:08 +0000 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/?p=175#comment-219 I believe some people here are arguing at cross-purposes. As far as I can see, nobody is suggesting that the original author could be forced to do anything. Of course he isn't obliged to do anything he doesn't want to - it's his project. However, for the most part the best thing for the project is to have a strong community around it, and I don't think it's wrong to at least trying to convince him of that. I believe some people here are arguing at cross-purposes. As far as I can see, nobody is suggesting that the original author could be forced to do anything. Of course he isn’t obliged to do anything he doesn’t want to – it’s his project. However, for the most part the best thing for the project is to have a strong community around it, and I don’t think it’s wrong to at least trying to convince him of that.

]]> By: Boycott Novell » IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 10th, 2008 - Part 1 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/comment-page-1/#comment-220 Boycott Novell » IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 10th, 2008 - Part 1 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:59:31 +0000 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/?p=175#comment-220 [...] Nicely laid out.. http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-open… [...] [...] Nicely laid out.. http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-open… [...]

]]> By: Janne http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/comment-page-1/#comment-218 Janne Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:47:26 +0000 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/?p=175#comment-218 "@Janne: You’re right, it’s possible that he manages projects full time and now want’s to do something for himself. I’d like him to clearly state that somewhere, not play any games." Didn't he? He brushed you off several times in as polite a manner as could be expected. It's not his fault if you just refuse to take a hint. GPL-released code or no, nobody is under any moral, social or ethical obligation whatsoever to allow other people to get involved, especially when you come across as muscling in on it whether he wants to or not. “@Janne: You’re right, it’s possible that he manages projects full time and now want’s to do something for himself. I’d like him to clearly state that somewhere, not play any games.”

Didn’t he? He brushed you off several times in as polite a manner as could be expected. It’s not his fault if you just refuse to take a hint.

GPL-released code or no, nobody is under any moral, social or ethical obligation whatsoever to allow other people to get involved, especially when you come across as muscling in on it whether he wants to or not.

]]> By: achates http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/comment-page-1/#comment-217 achates Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:42:38 +0000 http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/?p=175#comment-217 B/t/w, "We are not aware of any instructions to communicate with you in the matter at hand. Unless Author contacts us and instructs us accordingly, we are therefore not able to make any statements." does not mean there is no lawyer employed; it could also mean that there is a lawyer, but that the lawyer has no instructions from the client to talk to you. Lawyers don't talk about clients without their permission... B/t/w,

“We are not aware of any instructions to communicate with you in the matter at hand. Unless Author contacts us and instructs us accordingly, we are therefore not able to make any statements.”

does not mean there is no lawyer employed; it could also mean that there is a lawyer, but that the lawyer has no instructions from the client to talk to you. Lawyers don’t talk about clients without their permission…

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